is astroglide pareve? vignettes from an evolving relationship
abraham lincoln
Sometimes something comes over Plan C, I don’t know what to call it, and he just has to talk about Lincoln.
It’s really bizarre.
And boring.
I’m sure — nay, I know — there are worse habits. I know, because Performer had lots of worse ones, as did my ex. This is really benign, compared to theirs.
I wonder if there’s a clinical term for it, this having to talk about Lincoln.
And evangelize!
He told me about the Gettysburg address and the back of the envelope etc etc etc.
Duh!
Who doesn’t know that?
He got quite evangelical about Lincoln, uttering such striking sentiments as ‘Lincoln was the greatest American that ever lived.’
‘No, he wasn’t,’ I responded. ‘Elizabeth Cady Stanton was.’
Of course, I said that not to engage in argument, but just to show that argument was possible on this ridiculous issue.
‘No!’ answered Plan C. ‘Lincoln was the greatest.’
* * *
What can you do with a man like that?
Give him a dose of his own silly medicine.
So I began arguing that Chester A. Arthur was much greater than Lincoln, and soon Plan C was laughing so hard he was coughing.
* * *
And oh yes: he told me the fairly familiar and not-all-that-fascinating-the-first-time-I-heard-it fact that the official orator at Gettysburg had spoken for two hours and no one remembered his oration, whereas Lincoln had spoken for 2 minutes and everyone remembered his.
BUT: he told me the guy who made the long oration was Edward Everett Horton.
* * *
It took me a few minutes, but then my brain kicked in.
‘No it wasn’t!’ I said. ‘How could it have been? Edward Everett Horton was in Fred Astaire movies!’
Plan C started laughing again. He cracked up.
* * *
I looked it up later on the web: the long-winded orator at Gettysburg was Edward Everett.
a romance in the Depression
Plan C’s parents met in 1936 at a lecture on “Sex in the Soviet Union.”
another generation’s JDate
Plan C’s older son met his girlfriend on JDate. He was the first (and only) man she met on JDate, and they have been together for 2.5 years. Lucky woman! She didn’t have to endure an exhausting sequence of JDate after JDate, the countless emails, first-dates, and disappointments.
his family
One of the many attractions of Plan C is his eagerness for me to meet his children and for them to meet and accept me. Plan C is also eager for grandchildren. We were talking a couple of days ago about the fact that I would — what verb to use? — function as? be in the place of? be, in fact — a grandmother to his grandchildren. He has already decided that he wants to be called Grandpa by these not-yet-existent beings, and he asked me what I wanted them to call me.
That wasn’t a question that had occurred to me yet. I was still wrapping my brain around the notion that his sons’ children (neither son is yet married), the children of these young men I hadn’t yet met, would think of me as their grandmother!
Amazing and wonderful.
At the same time, I would feel sorry for his late wife, who would never know her grandchildren. But we will all tell them about her.
email and lovers
In a 2.75 hour period, between the time he returned to his own house Sunday evening and the time he went to bed, Plan C sent me twelve email messages.
Just counted mine: I sent him twelve also.
is astroglide pareve?
What?? you’re asking. Who cares whether lubricants are kosher or not?
But Plan C was busy with two sets of plans at the same time: finding out the best lube for us to use, and organizing a venue and guest-list for a seder. He didn’t care about the religious part at all, but he wanted his whole family together with him and me for Passover, and my mother and children too, if they would agree to come.
He was talking about them both in the same email, and forwarding things right and left to his children.
‘Sorry to mix religion and gynecology,’ he wrote me, and I thought, Uh oh! He’s going to forward the astroglide conversation to one of his sons! Oh god! And one of them might not like this unholy combination.
There’s a sort of loose-lips-y quality about Plan C sometimes: when he was telling one son about spending the night in my apartment, the son said, ‘Dad! Too Much Information!’
I thought the lube/seder combination was an unfortunate one.
I managed to separate it into two email conversations before it went to the wrong recipients.
* * *
Meanwhile my gynecologist recommended KY, so the wonderfully named Astroglide will not grace our table in April.
Oops!
what Plan C sent on valentine’s day
The first flowers anyone ever sent me on Valentine’s day (I think! but then, I can’t remember Valentine’s Days before 1980…).

February 28, 2008 at 7:41 am
KY! KY! Gosh, I haven’t seen those two letters together for a while. Not in MY house anyway. KY has got to be the worst lube on the planet - sticky, tastes terrible, just horrible, horrible stuff. There are many good lubes on the market. You should take a trip to Condomania in the Village and talk to them if you want to get the low-down on lube. I really like the water based lube made by ID. They do flavoured ones too and although they are kind of sweet, they make going down quite tasty. But really, I would stay away from KY. It’s just nasty.
February 28, 2008 at 8:37 am
mimi, this is a very curious post.
except for lincoln being boring and the seder/lube thing being unfortunate, you don’t say a thing about your feelings toward planC. you have basically written facts. whereas what’s interesting are your emotions, which are largely lacking. what gives?
February 28, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Mimi -
I love you and your blog, but isn’t this going a bit fast?
Yeah, I almost get the ‘meet the family’ part, but remember, a month ago you hadn’t even met this guy. Now you’re planning on grandchildren together……?
PS - The flowers are beautiful.
February 28, 2008 at 1:09 pm
suz, have written you by email to ask in more detail about lube brand names. may not be able to get to condomania before the weekend. definitely need advice in this area.
pt, i ended with the flowers. thought that said it all [you know, 'say it with flowers'].
to write ‘we’re in love’ over and over is not my style. but then, these are just ‘vignettes,’ defined by the ubiquitous wikipedia as ’short, impressionistic scenes that focus on one moment or give a particular insight into a character, idea, or setting’ . the emotion is implied in the excessive number of emails, the family stuff, the flowers, and the hilarity.
annR,yes, it’s incredibly fast. so i keep reminding plan c. he is marking every anniversary: 3 weeks since we first spoke on the phone, 2 weeks since we met, 10 days since etc etc. we both agree that it’s all so fast that people who are sceptical [and if i were watching from the outside, i might be sceptical myself] will just have to hang in there and see what happens.
February 28, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I’m with Suzanne - KY is the absolute WORST lube out there. Astroglide is way better and I would highly recommend going to a good store to try out others. I shudder when I think of KY, it’s that awful.
February 28, 2008 at 2:08 pm
suggestions PLEASE!!
a brand name — ideally something easily available.
tell me what you use. i’m clueless in this dept.
February 28, 2008 at 4:39 pm
It sounds like PlanC is a perfect blend of male/female.
Female: Expresses his emotions when he’s having them (even if it might be the right timing), fantasizes about children that haven’t even been born yet, voluntarily acknowledges anniversaries.
Male:Tendency to ramble on with passion about terribly boring subjects (I am a victim of this myself), has a penis. Actually, what else is “manly” about Plan C I wonder? And this is not an insult. I always go for guys I describe as “gay/straight.”
And the flowers are perfect. Blue hydrangeas are the best! As for lube, not my specialty but I think Astroglide works just find. KY was kinda sticky the one time I tried it. You go girl!
DT
February 28, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I wouldn’t know about lube, I’ve so rarely used it. But then I’m pre Big M (not your mother, the other one.) I infer from your post that what they say about losing your natural lubrication after Big M is true and I’m dreading that. Is it?
February 28, 2008 at 5:38 pm
to charlene: i don’t know; never needed it before. have no expertise in this area.
to DT: i’m sitting here LOL about the male tendency you identify, “to ramble on w. passion about terribly boring subjects.” yeah! LINCOLN already! god! but soon after i began counter-deifying chester a. arthur, plan c’s passion subsided and he started laughing. OKAY now to the more interesting point you raise [get it??], what is ‘manly’ about Plan C? well i’ll just let loose w. lots of stereotypes — he’s 5′11″ [tho he says he may now be 5'10.5"] and weights 188 - 190; has terrific shoulders and GREAT legs — i think ‘massive thighs’ would be accurate — not at all fat but like a sculpture of a large man. he’s also a great dresser — not necess a ‘manly’ characteristic, sometimes the contrary, but his dressing is ‘manly’ — shirts w. stripes and collars etc. looks great All the time. i love the striped bathrobe he has left in my apt and the big boots etc. his voice is strong and deep — he referred to it once as a newscaster’s voice, and it is. i love hearing it on the phone. gosh this is turning into a post. maybe i’ll make it one. and what else? well, his appreciation of the female body….now, again, to be ‘broad’-minded [get it??? haha], you don’t necess. need to be male to appreciate the female body, i guess, but this is all subjective of course — his appreciation of *my* body seems ‘manly’ to me. he has many protective impulses but so far i think he has seemed more vulnerable — emotionally, at least — than i have. he’s the most emotional man by far that i’ve ever met, and one of the most emotional people. in short: his whole Look is very manly, and his sexuality is quite hetero male, and his feelings about women or at least this woman are traditionally male. BUT his late wife was a serious professional woman and worked her entire adult life, so he’s entirely happy and at home with women who take their work seriously. that’s what he prefers. FLOWERS: there were actually lots of pink roses but they didn’t all get in the picture. END!!
February 29, 2008 at 4:29 am
Sure, it sounds like it’s going quickly — but hey, enjoy the ride!
And I approve 1000% on his choice of flowers! Much more imaginative than a dozen roses. Bravo!
February 29, 2008 at 7:40 am
i wonder if at our ages, 65 and 60, a romance that moves so quickly is somehow different; i mean, dif from a quick-paced romance for 20-yr-olds or even 30-yr-olds. there’s something i think in the fact that we don’t have to have children together - yay!! such a relief — we’ve got our kids — that’s done — and also, in our v. dif ways, we know what marriage or a LTR is like. and also of course we are not pointing toward marriage.
it’s 2:40 a.m. and that’s as much Deep Thinking as i’m capable of now.
February 29, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Astroglide — recommended by my ObGyn and approved my moi.
I think the “loose-lipsy” quality is a good one. It’s difficult for people like that to be deceptive because what they think tends to pop out of their mouths spontaneously. And as long as we can “handle the truth”, I’d rather be around a person like that then someone who’s always quiet (and quietly plotting…?) I think openness is a good thing — even if the subject is astroglide.
February 29, 2008 at 10:20 pm
shakespeare would agree w. you, melissa. he was distrustful of the the kind of people
“That do not do the thing they most do show,
. Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
. Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow…”
plan c — so far as i know him, and it’s only been 3 weeks [as of this coming sunday]– shows his emotions all the time - tears, laughs, passion, everything. especially his passion for abraham lincoln, of which a little went a long way for me!
testing the astroglide tonight.
March 1, 2008 at 12:15 am
Happy Leap Year … which seems very appropriate to you and Plan C. You looked, you leaped, you loved.
After reading the Test v. Est description of PC, I thought of the way you make him laugh so much: a classic comment that pop culture interviews get from women when asked about their happy marriages is “He still makes me laugh.” (For example, Joanne Woodward about Paul Newman.) Interesting, eh?
March 1, 2008 at 12:28 am
what does test v est mean? maybe it’s bec i ‘m rushing for a train to visit plan c’s hse for the first time that my brain is not functioning full speed, but —? YES we make one another laugh — he says i’m the funniest person he has ever met. i think he’s some of the best material i’ve ever met — i cldn’t believe the lincoln stuff. of course more impt is his love and devotion just spilling out all the time oops block that metaphor off i go to train.
March 1, 2008 at 9:29 pm
i agree with melissa that the loose lips quality, and his expressiveness, is a plus.
mimi, please expand on this:
“there’s something i think in the fact that we don’t have to have children together - yay!! such a relief — we’ve got our kids — that’s done”
i have no interest in or desire for children of my own and never have. i have often thought it would be a relief to be *too old* for the whole issue. if children never even existed, i wonder how many relationships would be different, since so many people get together or stay together because of children. children are a glue for so many couples and take primacy over the relationship. we all read “marry him” in the atlantic — the provocative advice to settle if you want children, before it is even too late for that. further thoughts welcome.
March 1, 2008 at 9:58 pm
well, it’s just that children are such a cause of stress in so many marriages. a great number of couples in the u.s., at least, stay together until the children go to college and then split up. and of course one’s energies are taken so many directions when they are children growing up — work, kids, their lives and friends, the household — this is standard newspaper-feature material. so it’s really nice to know that plan c and i will not have that distraction/stress/potential cause of many disagreements. that’s all. and also i’m glad that he _has_ children, nice ones, for me to get to know. and he is eager to get to know mine. nice to have them there also.
in short: i have nothing original to say on this subject! i’m very glad i had my two, and i’m glad he has his two, and glad we’re not now putting them through elementary school….
March 5, 2008 at 2:06 am
Relationships and timing have been a lot on my mind lately, too. One of my closest friends is now breaking it off with her commonlaw husband of 2 years. They own a house together. Things are unfortunately fairly messy… She actually set a timeline on how much longer she would wait for him to propose late last year. “He has until spring,” she told me, “After that I’m not going to waste any more time. I’m almost 30, after all.” The notion of setting a timeline for love struck me as a bit counterintuitive, but then maybe she’s back calculating based around a family - though wouldn’t you want that to be based around, well, love?
It made me consider the pace of my current relationship. When I mentioned this to my boyfriend he commented, “They were together two years and bought a house before a year was up. We’ve been together two years, and we own a comforter and a DDR pad. I think we’re better off.” But since we’re going to finally manage to move in together in August, it’s not like we’ve had the time to get carried away with the whole thing.
I know this diverges rather wildly from your post, but this and comments in the note string struck a chord because it’s been on my mind so much lately.
The flowers are lovely - nice that he didn’t do the traditional roses route!
March 9, 2008 at 6:40 am
cobalt, your comment was so provactive that i am moved to comment.
I find it odd you call this guy your friend’s “commonlaw husband” and yet she is waiting for him to propose. I don’t know all the legalities of commonlaw husbandry or why you are using that quaint term instead of “boyfriend,” but it sounds like this is just a guy who’s living with her to save on housing costs.
Also, I don’t think she is setting a timeline for love. This isn’t about love. She is setting a timeline for accomplishing practical goals in her life. If he is an obstacle who will hinder her accomplishment of these goals, it is smart for her to dump him and move on. It sounds like these two have vastly differing expectations and he is therefore making her miserable. He is balking at giving her what she wants, which is a marriage and children. At the two-year mark, pace is irrelevant. Two years is plenty of time for a couple to decide whether they are in it for the long haul or whether they are just spinning their wheels until something better presents itself.
Also, what is a DDR pad? Some kind of bedding item?