dating + thanksgiving + families = oy
Well, there’s this little thing I haven’t mentioned yet.
Not so little.
Performer and Becky (his almost-ex) have not yet told their children they’re in the midst of a divorce….
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Yeah, take that in!
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They became parents late in life (Performer is, after all, almost 71 now), and one kid is a young teenager, and the other not yet a teenager. They feel very bad that the children’s family life is going to be disrupted, though it already is, in a way. The parents live and work in different cities: the children, who live with their mother in a neighboring state, do not yet know that their visits to their father are, in effect, part of a currently-being-arranged custody agreement.
P and Becky plan to tell them soon….probably around the beginning of December.
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Hey, well, it’s not my family or my plan.
P knows that I am eager — dare I say ‘impatient’? no, I don’t dare — for the kids to know the truth, but that is quite obviously the parents’ decision and not mine.
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This matter complicates Thanksgiving in an interesting way. I have long hoped that Performer would spend Thanksgiving with my family and me; we do it well, and we always have a great time. The food is delicious, and after dinner we dance or sing or tell dumb jokes or somehow dissolve into informal entertainment mode.
P likes my children and my mother and — this may be the clincher — does not want to have two Thanksgiving dinners, one with his NY cousins and his children, and another, later in the day, with me, during which he would leave his children with someone else.
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So he plans to come, with his children, to our Thanksgiving dinner — but the children will not be told that I’m his girlfriend!
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As I said above, it’s not my idea, but …. I’m getting used to it.
I do love him, and he loves me, and this is not a great sacrifice or anything on my part.
But it will be odd, because it means that my mother, my two children, the four friends who will be joining us (making, with P and his kids, a total of 11 people), and I — and of course Performer himself! — will all have to ‘fake’ and not let on that P and I are boyfriend and girlfriend.
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P himself pointed out to me that when he was here in a group of 22 people, my millions of cousins etc., in September, and when he was here in October for my mother’s birthday, we weren’t exactly in one another’s arms or kissing passionately. I was busy with domestic, hostessly chores, and he was talking away, as he does, in his easy social manner, with everyone.
And although I’m not delighted with the idea, I’ve come to understand the complexities of his life and see how this situation has emerged and evolved in this particular way.
Moreover, he assures me that by Christmas they’ll have been told the truth, so that when we do a kind of repeat-performance at Christmas (Jewish Christmas, meaning a tree and presents and singing but no nativity scene….that’s my family’s tradition), they will know.
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I pointed out to Performer, and he said he had already had the same thought himself, that he will have to feign ignorance of my apartment, especially the kitchen, in which he is entirely at home. He will have to ask me ‘where’s the corkscrew’ or ‘where do you keep tea-bags’ or whatever, questions whose answers he knows perfectly well.
Moreover, I’ll have to de-Performerize my apartment. I’ll have to take pictures of him down in the kitchen and in my bedroom-study, and I’ll have to take tell-tale signs (his work calendar, notes from him) down from my bulletin board.
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When my children were here at my mother’s birthday and at one point were upstairs using my computer, I realized that Performer’s match.com page was right over their heads in full view on my bulletin board. I haven’t yet told them how we met, but then, they haven’t asked.
Would P’s kids recognize him from his match.com page?
Probably not, but possibly. I’d better take it down.
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And I guess we’ll have to invent a fake history, how we met, how we know one another, just exactly what our friendship is like. They may not ask, but we have to have the same story ready.
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I’m so busy during Thanksgiving dinner that all this is not likely to bother me very much.
But you know what I think?
At the end of the evening, as soon as the door closes behind them, his very perceptive daughter is going to turn to him and say, ‘Daddy, is that your girlfriend?’
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November 4, 2007 at 6:38 am
So, taking this the next logistical step, does that mean that your whole family, who know P is your boyfriend, have to also feign ignorance too and pretend he’s just your friend? Wow, I’d sure like to be a fly-on-the-wall at your Thanksgiving dinner! I had a similar situation, alothough not quite so complicated, when I was having an affair with a guy in NYC. I very stupidly decided to bring my kids to his place to stay for a night (his wife was away with their kids). We kept up the act although years later my children asked me about what our relationship status had been back then. They were probably a little younger than P’s kids at the time but they cottoned on pretty quickly the dynamic of our relationship. It’s pretty hard to fool kids when feelings are involved!
November 4, 2007 at 9:28 am
It sounds difficult - I wish you the best of luck. You are being incredibly..good? About this? I can understand the situation, but the fact that you understand AND are good with it is pretty impressive. I don’t know if I could do it; I would probably take the easier route of just not seeing my guy on Thanksgiving proper if it came to it.
I wonder how his kids will react once they know - that while they didn’t know about the divorce, he took them to dinner at his girlfriend’s place?
November 4, 2007 at 10:18 am
yes (suzanne), we all have to ‘fake’…the other guests don’t know this yet…i have a feeling i’ll goof up somehow ['performer, can you reach the --' whatever -- something said with too much familiarity in an unguarded moment] but with eleven people, at least 4 of them Very talkative, and the whole situation entirely new to his kids, it may not be clear what all the relationships are.
but (cobalt) yes indeed i’ve been wondering that myself, how they will react once they’re told the truth and replay Thanksgiving in their minds. i mentioned that to P, but he’s not worried about it. perhaps he should be, but he’s not.
to remember to keep the gravy hot and the wine flowing and everyone happy AND remember not to touch P as i go by — well, we’ll see if it’s all possible!
November 4, 2007 at 11:03 am
sounds unfair to the kids frankly. why not let go of your fantasy of spending thanksgiving w P and let him and kids be with their family? Why not wait till Dec to do the family holiday thing, when they can at least go willingly and knowingly into a familial relationship to you? it sounds selfish and manipulative of P and of you if you insist on him joining you.
November 4, 2007 at 11:24 am
This was his choice and his decision.
I raised all the predictable objections, but this is what he wants. He knows his kids, and I don’t, and he does not anticipate problems. And he’s been to two other parties here and really liked them, and he wants his kids to have a good time. So i’ve decided to let other people do the worrying and concentrate on finding enough chairs and buying more [cheap] plates, probably at bed bath and beyond. What may save the day is the fact that there will be a *lot* of strong personalities present, the 4 i mentioned above, among them non-Americans who have never been to a Thanksgiving dinner, and also an interesting roommate of one of my children, and in fact So Many unusual ’situations’ that i think the one w. P & his children will just be one among many. And oh yes, my mother won’t be able to hear a thing, and we’ll all be ‘translating’ for her, mouthing everything that has been said so she can lipread — and the space is not really large enough for eleven — so with all of that going on, i think his kids will find plenty of distraction and in fact enjoy themselves.
November 4, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Yep, you nailed it on the head there with that last little sentence. As I was reading this I was thinking, “Teenagers are smart and pick up on things. They will know even if you shake his hand like this is the second time you’ve met!” I wouldn’t be surprised if they know a divorce is in the works, too. But your thanksgiving sounds so fun! I am inclined to sneak over and be part of the family.
November 4, 2007 at 12:35 pm
in re yr third sentence (also third from the last) — you are right about that. in re yr final sentence: you are absolutely invited! it’s already crazy, so why not invite someone i’ve never met?! HEY– BRING A BOTTLE OF RED WITH YOU. i already invited you here for december to do yr xmas shopping, and you said you’d be too busy. but if you’re free on the 22nd, you’re entirely welcome. we’d love a **really nice ** bottle of red, straight from the tree or wherever wine comes from……..
November 4, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Well, it sure will be interesting to read about what happens on T’giving! And maybe even more interesting when you finally meet “for real” and they find out the real situation. Just hope no one comes away thinking that if you & P. do this, it makes them wonder about other things.
Especially hope your kids are OK with this.
November 5, 2007 at 10:34 am
My kids don’t know about this ‘plan’ yet, but there’s so much going on anyway at our Thanksgiving, esp. w. 11 people in a not-very-big room eating a large and long meal, that we’ll all have plenty on our plates [so to speak...]. I don’t think my kids will have a problem w. it, but we’ll see. And again, if it were my family, I certainly would have told the kids their parents are getting divorced, but it’s not my family, and in their case, this is actually one thing both parents agree on. So all I can do is accept it. And focus on food and chair logistics.
November 6, 2007 at 1:32 pm
I have to believe that his children are probably much smarter than he is giving them credit for and they probably already know something is up. And if by chance, they don’t already know, they will definitely suspect by the end of the evening.
November 6, 2007 at 3:56 pm
michele, i agree w. you. i have to talk to him about this the weekend before Thanksgiving….i wish the parents would tell the kids before then. my concern is the little voice that pipes up not, as i suggested in the post above, when they go out the door, but during dinner! — the little voice that perhaps asks me, ‘are you Daddy’s girlfriend?’ i need to get him to promise to deal with that situation, should it occur…
it’s difficult for me because if the parents are in agreement about not telling them yet, who am i, an outsider to the family, to urge otherwise? but i do *feel* ‘otherwise,’ that’s for sure….
November 6, 2007 at 5:11 pm
While I would love to read the accompanying post of Thanksgiving hijinks, I personally don’t think it’s fair to ask your entire family to “perform” for Performer. f you want, you can have his kids over, but don’t promise that everyone will keep it a secret and don’t pretend you’re not a couple. Because if you do, when his kids find out that you two were dating during Thanksgiving, they will feel deceived when they learn everyone involved was lying to them. No matter how you spin it, it will suck for them and it will not present you in a good light (and you deserve better). If you two are meant to be together, then you can spend many future Thanksgivings together. But don’t facilitate deceiving his kids. I fear it will haunt you in the future (as well as them). They’ve gone through enough already. Sorry to be the naysayer of doom… But either way, I can’t wait to read about it!
November 6, 2007 at 5:24 pm
yes, i ran that by him, too — what will they think when they realize you didn’t tell them the truth? — and he didn’t think it would bother them much. at that time i deferred to his knowledge (and my lack of knowledge) of his children. however, as the day approaches — and as i read all these comments — i know i need to bring it up again.
i will urge him to tell them the truth, but he can only do that if their mother agrees. and i’ll ask my kids what they think. the issues that people have brought up in the comments echo all the ones i raised w. him. in order to make myself tolerant of this unusual (and uncomfortable) situation, i keep reminding myself of all the bizarre divorce stories i’ve heard and telling myself people have to do what works for them blah blah blah — but i agree w. all that has been said here. we’ll probably talk about it again closer to the time, and i’ll keep you up-to-date.
November 6, 2007 at 8:24 pm
I have to agree with js and Melissa on this one. Even though they are his kids and he thinks he knows how they will react, it’s still your house and you have a say who comes to Thanksgiving dinner and what goes on and you need to protect yourself. Having been a child of divorce, had either of my parents done this to me, I would have been furious (and I wasn’t even upset at all when my Mom told me they were getting divorced, I was actually happy) and even if the significant other was a great person like you are, I wouldn’t be able to give them a fair chance after they did something like this. Like others have said, there will be many more Thanksgiving dinners for you and the Performer to share together. Until he and his wife tell the children and things are okay with the children, I don’t think the kids should be going to dinner at your place, it’s just not appropriate. But, do what you want, this is just my opinion. . .
November 6, 2007 at 8:55 pm
For what it’s worth, not too much here, my parents were also divorced, but when i was a baby, so the situation was different from this one.
What i’ve decided — influenced heavily by these comments –is that i’m going to run all this by my psychiatrist on friday. i have no more wisdom, except to feel uneasy about it all. Performer, when we last talked about the situation, was relaxed and confident that his children would simply have a good time at our jolly Thanksgiving and not focus too much on me, because there would be so many people and so much going on. So I was persuaded (against my 1st & 2nd & 3rd & 4th responses) that it would be all right. But now I want to seek the opinion of a wise person (Dr. A) who is outside the situation and will see it from an experienced, detached, professional POV. And then I’ll think over (but not automatically follow) his suggestion, whatever it may be.
Before Thanksgiving was an issue, when I was telling Dr. A that I was impatient for P & wife to tell their children the truth, Dr. A said, ‘You can’t rush these things.’ But this is something new and different. I’ll definitely do a new post when I have his take on this.
November 10, 2007 at 3:51 am
wowzer weezers!!!! i’m staying tuned.